I entered the restroom.
There was a line.
The handicapped stall was unoccupied.
I said to the woman at the front of the line, “Hey- are you using that stall?” (for the record I don’t wait on the bathroom line for fun)
The people on line in between me and the front woman groaned…
The woman at the front of the line shot back-
“You can’t use that stall. It’s for handicapped.“
Now, there were at least eight people on the line and four stalls including the handicapped.
I called out- “Is there anyone on this line that needs the handicapped facility?“
No one said a word.
I said to the second person waiting- “Are you going to use that stall?”
The woman looked at me and then looked at the first person in line.
The first person in line said I was ableist.
For the record, the definition of ableist is (per Collinsdictionary.com) if you describe people or their behavior as ableist, you mean that they think people with disabilities are less capable than those without disabilities, and treat them differently or less well.
As the second person in line made her way to the empty stall the line leader glared at me. She started spouting off how we were all horrible people and that stall should be kept open in case someone with a disability came in.
I asked how someone with a disability who might use a walker or wheelchair was going to get down the very narrow aisle with people in it to get to the front of the line, and wouldn’t it be better to just get people out of the restroom as quickly as possible, because really, while the stall itself might accommodate someone who needs a physical aide to help them walk, the bathroom itself might not reflect that.
She started yelling at me. I kind of tuned it out as I went to the bathroom, washed my hands and left…
The questions to ponder today are:
- Should the handicapped/disability stall in a restroom be left unoccupied in case someone needs it, or should people just use whatever room is available?
- Was I being ableist?
- Do people throw out terms without thinking it through?
- Has a society that prides itself on being without labels ended up being a society that defines itself by labels?
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I’m with you. If there’s a line and nobody with special need of the handicapped stall, for heavens sake let the front of the line use the stall. It can become a health issue!
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100%. It’s bad enough when there’s a line. Just let people use it
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I’m confused: if there’s a ramp next to stairs at the entrance to a building, are you not allowed to use the ramp even if you’re not disabled or with a stroller? Where does it say that those stalls are only for the use of disabled people? Handicapped parking spots are for and only for handicapped folks, that’s not the same for handicapped bathroom stalls as far as I know? I’ve certainly never seen signage like that?
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Yeah. I think it’s one of those righteous vs right things…as someone else pointed out, not being able to use the bathroom on the quicker side can be an issue
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You’ve got to stop thinking logically, LA. The world has gone mad.
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When people have gotten that PC, it’s out-of-control. You can do your business in 45-seconds and apologize to a person in a wheelchair if that happens when you get out within that time frame! Wow.
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It’s like when being sensitive to others becomes the thing to make fun of. Look at what Steinheim said in this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/magazine/how-political-correctness-went-from-punch-line-to-panic.html?searchResultPosition=2
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Even though I have the times it’s not letting me look. Will check it out though. Thanks!
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Exactly!!
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So many people are lined up infront of me these bathrooms. So terrible. Anita
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I think, after doing everything I could to make sure no one already in the restroom needed the stall I would do what you did- encourage the line ahead to use it or go use it myself. I think the assumption has always been that the disability stall must be kept open- just in case. In a very small restroom that doesn’t make sense, especially when a long line is forming. I find it rather astonishing that no one had their phones out and that the whole thing hasn’t appeared on Tik Tok right now.
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I think rest rooms are the last place with a little privacy…and, I think the people ahead of me were too afraid to do anything because they don’t know what side they’re “supposed” to be on
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You did the right thing. Ask if anyone present needs the stall and, if not, it should be used. Worse case, someone who needs the stall is next in line. For a few years, any level of muscle flexation would cause a health crash and I had to used the disabled stall and it’s railings to get up and down. Hell, I didn’t mind waiting if the only stall occupied was the handicapped one. Honestly, I think people have become far too casual with tossing around terms like racist, transphobe, ableist, etc. And the woman who called you ableist, clearly, didn’t even know the meaning of the term. I was yelled at and called ableist numerous times for using the handicapped stall, but not once was I asked whether I needed it (my answer would have been yes). People have become trigger-happy with the virtue signalling, and it’s getting exhausting.
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Virtue signaling. That’s perfect. My 80 year old mother “looks” fine, but has a host of conditions that enable her to have a handicapped parking pass. The looks she gets…how do you define looks disabled? It’s ridiculous to give grief to people who need the accommodation for whatever reason it may be
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I am 100 percent with you on this, LA
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I think you did the right thing…asking before using so to speak. I’ve helped handicapped persons in the public restrooms in the handicapped stalls. It takes awhile to even get to the stall and the small amount of time that your ’emergency’ use took would not have been an awful inconvenience.
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I’m of the school, get in get out…just keep,it moving
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People will say almost anything to prove they are right. Ask yourself though…Do I know these people? Will I ever see any of them again? Have I ever seen or had to interact with them before? If any or all of these questions is answered by “no,” then why should I care what they think. I liked your point About a handicapped person not being able to navigate through the crowd too. Not to be arrogant, but we can and should use what is available. If that makes me or you an ableist, so be it. Gotta admit, I never heard or used that word before this.
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Oh…it’s quite a popular word these days
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Good. Let them use it. I’ll stay sane.
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Well she didn’t know if you had a condition that you were dealing with. I would have yelled back something that would have caught her off guard. Gave her loud mouth something to think about the next time she finds her loud mouth in this situation.
You totally did the right thing.
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It’s a ridiculous thing…use the bathroom if it’s available…
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Right!
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I would have used it. I also used it when I had toddlers with me as I appreciated the extra room. 🤷♀️
Also, FFS. Really? It’s a fucking bathroom.
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I guess being a male I don’t have this particular problem. We can ‘go’ just about anywhere. And, on demand. 🤭🤭
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I wonder if people confuse a handicap-equipped bathroom stall with a handicap-designated parking space. While the latter is clearly intentioned only for people with disabilities, the former is for anyone, but is specially designed to help those who have difficulties in standard stalls. You did the courteous thing: check to see if anyone needs that stall, showing the next person in line that it was free and clear. Anything we can do to hasten a bathroom queue is a gift to all.
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I hadn’t thought of equating it to a handicapped spot, but there’s a disconnect in the logic to think that specific thing should go.unused. you’re not camping out for the night but hopefully using it for a very limited period of time
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Exactly!
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There was a whole “Curb Your Enthusiasm” episode devoted to this. Naturally, Larry got in trouble from a handicapped person.
I have never had an issue using a handicapped bathroom. Then again, I’ve always been in and out pretty quickly.
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I never watched the show, but that sounds like a situation made for Larry david….that’s my thing…in and out. You’re not sleeping there…
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I wonder what she would think the etiquette would be in the multitude of men’s rooms I’ve used that only have one urinal and one handicapped-accessible stall.
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Yes! Also I’ve been to places with two stalls both handicapped accessible…what’s the protocol then?
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If there is a line and it’s not being used, use it! If there is a handicapped person who needs to use it, I’m sure they will let you know.
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I feel you went above and beyond. I would do the same and ask. Not because I felt they are ableist but to be considerate …. of their handicap? To me, handicapped people want to be treated “normally” thus why are they entitled to line jump? Yes they may need a larger stall and I am all for allowing them to line jump but isn’t that ableist – that they cannot wait their turn because we assume they cannot control bodily funcitons?
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See…that’s a good point that totally contradicts the whole ableist notion so I live that
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It makes zero sense to not use a handicap bathroom stall. It’s a different story if people are skipping someone who needs it. But having it sit empty is just dumb.
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I’m with you on this one. I would’ve done the same thing.
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I would have done the same as you.
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Being handicap myself I see both sides of the story but I wouldn’t say you were being ableist. I am a wheelchair user and can literally only use the one stall so for me it gets frustrating having to wait for someone who is not handicap to come out of that stall especially when every other stall is empty. In your case I think you did the right thing asking if anyone handicapped needed that stall and since no one spoke up I think it’s ok for y’all to have used it but I also think that as soon as someone handicap comes in they should immediately be given that stall even if there is a line.
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I’m fine with that. But yeah…if it’s empty, use it and get people going
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I can’t believe that one lady went off on you, but … nothing should surprise me anymore! You did the right thing for yes, why let it be empty when there is a long line! Makes no sense! You were courteous and double checked that no one handicapped was waiting to use it. Your last line sums it all up!
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Not everything has to be a battle…
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Exactly!
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It’s perfectly fine to use a public restroom reconfigured for handicap use if there is no one in line that has a handicap. And by the way, I often use the mens restroom if it is empty and there is a line at the women’s. What would she have called me? Hugs, C
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Right there with you
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You’re my hero! If I were in that line and really had to go, I don’t think I could have been as restrained as you.
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Leaving the accessible stall empty when there’s a line makes absolutely no sense to me. In my opinion, the purpose of the stall is to accommodate people with disabilities, not to give them priority boarding.
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I think we should just use if if it’s empty…and not assume someone doesn’t have a disability just cause they don’t look like they do….
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That is such a great point! Many disabilities are invisible.
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You’re always right! 😀
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I would have laughed out loud and being called an ableist, and then used the stall! But seriously, the handicapped bathroom stalls are for when someone with a wheelchair, walker, or whatever needs to use one. And of course they get “first dibs” on them. But if no one in line is in need of the handicapped stall, then others can use them. I’m sure the woman who yelled at you just wanted everyone to know how superior she is…because we all know superior people yell at strangers in bathrooms.
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I don’t understand how we’ve gone away from basic logic
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First of all, people with disabilities are less able in some respects than people without them. That’s why nobody is rushing to acquire disabilities to give themselves an edge in the world. Secondly, if a disabled person turned up you would hope that everyone got out of the way for them. But on general principle it’s probably better not to use the disabled toilet if you can wait. Speaking as someone who has used it, on occasion.
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I’ll agree to disagree on this one.
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First of all, the only person who has more weird things happen to them than me is…you lol
1. I always use the handicapped stall. I think it’s there IF someone needs it. EXTRA answer: I also use single-stall men’s bathrooms if no one is in there.
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. Yep.
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To be fair, you and I both say yes, are curious and inquisitive and most importantly, we pay attention and think about the situation. We are participants in the game of life not bystanders. Our approach is different than most so we will experience differently than most
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This is a VERY good point!
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