Awhile back, I read In Love by Amy Bloom. This book focuses on her Husband’s decision to go to Dignitas for a compassionate death.
Yeah.
I know.
Not exactly light and pleasant reading or conversation.
I tried to have a conversation with my Husband about this book- not because anything is wrong with either of us, but more as a concept, or a what if scenario.
He shut me down completely. Got mad and wouldn’t discuss it.
So my question is:
Should we discuss subjects that we don’t want to hear? Aren’t those the very subjects that should be discussed, so that everyone is clear on where they stand?
I’m not asking your opinion of Dignitas, or anything like this. That’s a minefield I don’t want to talk about in a forum like this, so watch your comments if you give an opinion…
What I want to know is:
Should we discuss things like this with our loved ones, in a calm manner and in a private setting?
Most certainly. Unpleasant those conversations may be, but important discussions never the less. And honestly, such conversations should be compulsory. Not sure why it is so hard…
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I think people have a lack of respect for death…if that makes sense
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I agree with you 100 percent, LA.
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Understanding “the circle of life” helps you to enjoy each and every day regardless, I think.
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I knew someone who worked in palliative care who showed me a deck of cards they use to start a conversation about death. Different cards had different questions or statements to enable the conversation or even the person to start thinking about topics surrounding death that most seem to avoid until it’s too late. We definitely need to treat death differently.
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Agreed. We have to treat it with respect. No one wants it, but alas, we really don’t have a choice
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There was a quote I heard in a movie once about how death makes everything more worthwhile. If we had all the time in the world, what would be the point of doing something today? There’d always be a tomorrow.
It stuck with me, but I still would like to be (and have my loved ones be) immortal 🙃
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I used to think that, but it depends on how the life is. I see my Dad…he’s had two different cancers in three years, he’s in so many meds he can’t think straight. I don’t think I’d want him like this forever
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You’re right, of course, though in my mind immortality comes with good health, like wolverine?
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I thought of that after I’d responded to you. But then it means bad people, the people who did you wrong would be right along there with you. If nothing ever ends, do we progress?
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There are shows like Highlander that deal with the bad guys … That’s why when there’s only one left of them, it’s Duncan MacLoed 🙃
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I agree. That’s a nice way to put it
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It’s a tough subject. I’m a planner and I want to talk about it. My husband wants me to bury him in the backyard. I just decided to talk about what I want and maybe in time he will talk about it.
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Most definitely! 😊
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You won’t be surprised to find out I agree – it’s an important subject to discuss in an open & honest manner. It may be considered morbid when in your twenties or thirties, but in your fifties and above, it’s reasonable and could save a lot of family pain later.
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That’s my feeling too. Be open and honest about this with partners and loved ones
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Absolutely YES! I’ve had this convo with the kids many times and those things are, in part, also in my will. I would bet though that if I was still married someone may not have been too willing to speak on things. The only comment I can remember on his part was an emphatic order not to use a specific funeral home because of his long-standing grudge against someone who once worked there… that’s a perfect example of mature and thoughtful end of life planning don’t you think?
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Sorry I’m laughing…
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No need to be sorry- just sharing the reality of my world!
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Oh la la!
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I can’t even get my husband to make a will . Yes we should of course, but it’s hard for some people to think about death.
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I know. But I think we have to try to get past that.
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For sure. I have to take care of this will and set up a trust for my daughter. Who knows, she might out live us!
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Prepare for the worst, hope for best
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You need to have your hubby give me a call. I have had this conversation, multiple times. One of the families we meet with for church with has been having some serious health issues, and he and I have had several conversations on this most important, relevant topic. Our culture has become so disconnected from end of life issues.
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I know. And we really need to think about it and discuss
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Absolutely! Have to have those discussions, especially with the people who may need to make those decisions for us when we can’t. And like it or not, that day will come.
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Death and taxes
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Many people are terrified of death. I honestly believe he shut down due to fear. I know I’m being presumptuous, but I feel it’s our fear of the unknown that prevents us from having the conversation.
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Agreed. If you don’t say it it won’t happen
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Yes, definitely. Not easy for most perhaps, but essential nevertheless.
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There are many conversations we would like to avoid, but a quiet private conversation should be done.
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Agreed
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We should not only have those discussions, but we should document them using the many advance directives and end-of-life forms available. And those documents should be kept with wills and other important papers. That may be the last, best gift we leave our loved ones–so they don’t have to make difficult decisions at a time of extreme stress. My husband says just stick him outside on garbage day. Do you know where I can buy an extra-large can?
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😂thanks for a little bit of levity
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By ‘can’ you mean…?
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I agree it is a topic that needs to be discussed and prepared for. But for some people you need to lead up to it. For example in a week I would like to have this discussion, can we decide when? Pour some wine, and make it a normal conversation. Make an appointment with a lawyer if you are going to use one. Start the momentum slowly.
I suspect none of us expect death too soon, and then when something happens, and we are calling 911, it’s too late to work on the paperwork.
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Is there ever a good time to discuss this though?
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I would argue that it’s irresponsible not to plan for the future to a certain degree. What degree obviously will depend on the person/couple. If a spouse wants to talk about something, I think it is our obligation to put aside our fears, etc. and have the discussion.
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I agree. If it’s important to your spouse it should be important to you
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Yes, we definitely should be having the conversations about what we want at the end of our lives.
My mom has refused to participate in most of these conversations–ugh.
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My parents are good, but there’s still so mych
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We should. I don’t know why we stray so far from conversations about death. For example, my in laws don’t want to discuss insurance or arrangements with my husband, and I’m not sure why that is. No one wants to be surprised or have to make some literal life/death decision on their own.
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These are things we have to talk about. They’re important. We have to get over being uncomfortable about death
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Absolutely yes. Not an issue with my husband. We’ve had such conversations on many an occasion.
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Excellent communication on a tough subject
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It is a tough subject but one that should be discussed. I’m not sure my wife would want to talk about that specific topic. I have talked to my family about organ donation and for them to not let my funeral be boring.
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I said I want no funeral or memorial. Celebrate me now not then sort of thoughts
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I see there is a conference on the subject next week. Gradually we are learning to talk about and plan for death. Many other cultures have always dealt with this very well, but ours has had many taboos. For instance, royal children at the state funeral of Queen Elizabeth: I believe they used to be banned from funerals.
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I was surprised to see the kids there, but thought it was good
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Discussion is necessary but definitely not easy. I told my wife I wanted her to put some of my ashes in a painting, she said she would keep some of me in a vial in a necklace, for levity I suggested being stuffed by a taxidermist in a goofy cute pose with a recording saying “hey” in a very flamboyant way that makes her laugh. No longer existing has plagued my thoughts for too many decades, it’s really challenging for me to make this a serious priority.
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I feel for your husband.
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Totally respect your thoughts and opinion. But think of it this way…my husband and I were raised different religions which have different views on this. At the worst moment of my, my daughters and/or my husbands life, do we want to 1) mourn and grieve 2) have to make major decisions or 3) deal with family who has different ideas of what should happen
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What religion prompts you to not think about end of life decisions
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I meant…say I die. If we haven’t talked and written things down, I leave my family needing to make those decisions. My parents are going to have different ideas than my husband and daughter will because of religion or lack there of
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There are many things, apart from the one you are speaking of, are difficult to have a discussion on with your family members or sometimes with close friends because they are not ready or receptive enough to be on the same page as you are. One must give them time. Sensitive things should be discussed at the right time or when the time is ripe for such talks.
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But how much time do you give someone? What’s the right amount of time?
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There is no quantification. You have to keep on broaching the subject(s) subtly. See the reaction…gauge the receptivity so on and so forth.
There is always the possibility that a person may never come around to dis cussing such issues due to certain deeper and sub conscious reasons. Patience is the essence.
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I most certainly think this should be discussed with family and friends who are close to us. They need to know our thoughts on this and other troubling questions. Of course, we know that time to discuss these sensitive things must be carefully chosen, but what if a close one dies and we have not had that discussion?
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Exactly. You can’t time death, it’s not in our control.
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If you are talking about the practical aspects, which I gather from the comments, it’s important. You should write it down somewhere and let him know your part of the decision. But if it is death per se then that’s difficult. No one can prepare themselves for the ultimate end of his or her near and dear ones.
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Totally practical aspects
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We should discuss these hard topics, but not everyone is ready to discuss it at the same time as their loved ones. Everyone brings a different background to even the possibility of that discussion. I think sometimes we don’t even know ourselves what is holding us back, so how could others know or understand the cause of our hesitation.
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True.
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Should we? Yes.
Do we? Probably not nearly as often as we could/should.
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Alas…
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I believe that yes we should discuss these things. It is not fun but definitely makes it easier when the inevitable happens to someone we love.
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Agreed
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These are incredibly important conversations to have! Delaying them doesn’t make the issue go away, but it could make a difference in abiding by someone’s preferences. I think when people get mad about this type of conversation, it’s fear-based. But that’s just my opinion. 🙂
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Agreed
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I am a strong advocate for family conversations about death. Not knowing what someone wants in terms of illness, death, or what to do with their remains is frustrating for everyone! 💕C
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Agreed!
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Yes! Wee should call discuss death. No-one has made it out alive. It is can uncomfortable conversation but must be had!
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Most people are uncomfortable discussing death. I was reading from the book “Further along the road less traveled” today and they mentioned that people fear death. They skip reading obituaries, avoid passing by funeral homes, etc.
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I admit I don’t seek out obits…
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My idiot ex, at the very beginning of our relationship, told me he expected to die young. Great thing to hear when I was pregnant with our first child, right? IDK, though, maybe this subject is one of the reasons he has now moved on to wife #4. Now she is stuck taking care of him, come what may. I kept hoping he was right and his would be an early death. Now I fear I may have put a kinehora on myself.
I was fortunate in that my parents had already made their funeral arrangements well in advance. I hope/plan to do something similar for the benefit of my children, maybe at the same time as I start working on yet another iteration of my will/trust! Maybe thinking/talking about this subject TOO far in advance is not a good thing?
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Well, when you’re dating…no. But my husband and I did discuss it when I was pregnant and we were making our wills
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