All animals are equal except some are more equal than others.

George Orwell

We can debate, discuss, or argue about the following (however- I am not going to debate discuss or argue any of it- but have at it on your own time)

  1. Why Obama chose not to codify Roe between 2009 and 2011
  2. If Trump specifically chose justices he assumed would overturn Roe
  3. If RBG should have retired during the Obama administration
  4. If “my body my choice” is applicable to both abortion and mandatory vaccines, as the answer by both sides is- “it will save lives”
  5. RBG stating that there was faulty reasoning in Roe, and it should have been based on the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution
  6. How members of certain religions feel that there rights to religious freedom have been trampled upon

What we really can’t discuss is that women in 22 states will not be treated equally with women in 28 states. There is no more equality for women, even amongst ourselves.

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  2. This is such a terrible reflection of the state of our republic. We have a SCOTUS majority willing to politicize this government branch. We have the patriarchy deciding to ban abortion yet provide no support in the way of paid leave and better healthcare to mothers and lower income families. Sitting comfortably as a moderate is no longer an option for any of us. This is about healthcare. Watch the Jane documentary on HBO. Amazing group of women.

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  4. As I’m sure you can resolve from my post I clearly believe there has only ever been a thin illusion of equality for women in our society. I will go so far as to argue that the same illusion has always been in place among women themselves. Identifying as a straight white woman I know fully that I am not judged in the same way BIPOC, LGBTQIA… women are by the majority of our society- male or female

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  6. I spent the last few days in utter disbelief and despair. I have had to reign in my political emotions since my cancer numbers have been rising and I’ve been put on new types of chemo. And during treatment a positive attitude is crucial to survival. So I wrote to my FB followers that while I am currently unable to put boots on the ground and March for Women’s Health rights, i will be lending my support in ways that are not physical…
    What hurts me the most is, that my grand daughter will have to fight extra hard to earn back the rights her grandmother achieved in the 1970’s. In my opinion, this isn’t about babies. ( I became pregnant with my second child just shy of 40. So clearly, my personal choice was to happily embrace the pregnancy surprise.
    However, in a country where so many men apparently don’t think women are intelligent enough to make personal decisions for themselves, I’m offended that the SCOTUS thinks women and medical professionals are incapable of rational decision making. What’s next? Will they take away a woman’s right to vote? Will they nullify same sex marriages or remove happy adopted children from their homes? These are scary times.

    AND, Now, people are becoming violent as they remove our rights. I was almost assaulted at the mailboxes in a senior living community yesterday. ( crazy, right?)

    A man who lives in a condo on the floor below me started grilling me about the RVW decision. ( I just wanted to pick up my mail, not be lectured to by a right wing misogynist). He went into a rant blaming our current President for everything in the universe, was thrilled about The removal of RVW and wanted to know my opinion. I politely told him we’d have to agree to disagree. He then started screaming and got right up into my face. ( keep in mind I’m wearing a mask because I’m in chemo with a compromised immune system). I backed away and again repeated we’d have to agree to disagree but we can still be nice to one another because we’re neighbors. . He gets even closer and takes his finger and pokes my chest. I try to get to the elevator since his behavior is getting out of hand and he stops me. I pushed his hand away and told him I’d call the police if he didn’t stop harassing me. I explained that no amount of bullying would ever make me see things his way. However, since we were neighbors I’d still be courteous to him, but he could not push his political views on me. The guy was ticked that I would not cave. And he started yelling again. The elevator door opened and two people came out which temporarily distracted him so I could jump in and close the elevator doors in his face. Meanwhile he continued to scream about me being a stupid woman and how all democrats should die.

    This new ruling empowers nut jobs to think they can do or say whatever they want. I worry that the Next thing time he will probably bring a gun to the mailbox area. Yeah, I live in the Wild West of South Florida. Where old white men still think they can tell women what to do. Scary times!

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    1. OMG Lesley, that is absolutely horrifying. I keep thinking that I’m old enough not to be shocked by the behaviour of other people and then I read your comment. If there’s a management/residents committee, I hope they will hear and take action if you report it to them, although – even as I’m typing those words – I have a horrible sinking feeling in my stomach.

      All the very best with your new chemo regime from over here on the other side of the (big) pond.

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      1. I know! I was shaking by the time I got back into my condo. If I need to I’ll get a restraining/protective order. I always knew this man was odd, but I think this ruling has allowed nut jobs and bullies like him to feel empowered. In an over 55 condo community you don’t expect this kind of behavior. This guy is in his early 60’s so he’s not ancient.

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      2. Report him to property management. You need to document the incident. I bet this isn’t the first time he has gotten aggressive with others.

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    3. This is a horrible story and there is absolutely no excuse for his behavior. Please know that just as not all people who embrace RvW are screaming crazies like the protesters we see in the media foaming at the mouth, only able to issue profanities in support of abortion, most pro-life people are kind and loving and would NEVER engage in the type of behavior that man demonstrated. Do report his behavior in writing to someone so it is documented. Try to shut current conflicts out and concentrate on your wellness.

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  8. I don’t know enough (well, almost nothing) about the US legal system what with being a UK resident & citizen, but it is shocking. I’m even more shocked about comments made by some Republicans that they’ll be coming for other rights after this.

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    1. That’s the thing, Deb. Many Republicans have taken this ruling to mean they can do whatever they want. Prepare for racism and bigotry to rise to the top again. America badly needs a female leader so rational thinking can overcome prejudice.

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  10. I believe in the past 50 years both sides of the aisle used the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade for fundraising and to get the vote out. That’s my answer to number one, even though you don’t want to discuss it.

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  11. Politicians never settle an issue when they have the opportunity because they need platforms to run on. I have a question to add to your list. I have a young daughter. I decide I no longer want her, can I kill her?

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    1. River that is an insulting comment. I don’t know any woman who takes a decision to abort callously. I stood by a friend who sobbed having to go through a medically necessary abortion after many attempts to get pregnant. The fetus did not have a brain, appendixes and could never live outside the womb. Several doctors consulted and deemed it needed to be terminated. She was heartbroken. What about rape or incest victims? Why would you compare your daughter, healthy and alive being to a woman in a no win situation? Not every faith feels a baby has a soul until it is born. Each women, each circumstance, each fetus is a different situation. That’s as absurd as saying every male should have a vasectomy until they are ready to reproduce.

      I had a cat who had a litter and one of her kittens was born deformed. I was horrified to watch her kill the one who wasn’t born healthy. But that is what creatures in the animal world instinctively do. We are more civilized. No matter what a woman’s personal views are, making a decision is never easy. I got pregnant just shy of 40 after years of trying to have a second child. I was surprised and scared because I would be an older mom and made the choice to have the baby. But I would NEVER tell another woman what to do with her own body. Your comment was cruel. My friend, who passed away from cancer a few years aGO NEVER got over having to have an abortion. To assume it was an easy choice for her is ignorant. She did adopt a beautiful daughter from South America who was by her side when she died. Her misogynistic husband didn’t want to adopt and divorced her before she did. He wanted only his sperm. So if you were trying to be funny with your comment, you weren’t.

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    2. Ok I’m going to give you a three part answer. 1) I don’t believe in universal healthcare because I don’t want the state controlling what I can and can not do. In socialized medicine the rights of the collective are greater than rights of the individual. 2) no one “likes” the idea f terminating a pregnancy. I know people who along with the advice of medical professionals who have had to have medically necessary terminations. If you think this is an easy decision for someone you are wrong. I believe the term is heartbreak because this is nothing something any woman does with an easy heart. Also I know women who have been raped/victims of incest. I do not think there is any reason someone who has had to deal with the traumas of these crimes should need to deal with anything else. If you want to think I’m a bad person because I have no problem with this instance, fine. I also know someone who was conceived via rape. There is not enough therapy in the world for this guy to get past the trauma of his origin story. 3) if you want to go to the grey area, according to the IRS, a branch of the US government, you can not claim a fetus as a dependent because it is not a child/person. You can interpret that any way you wish

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      1. If you are claiming that majority of abortions are done because of the horrible things you mentioned, you are mistaken. The vast majority of abortions are due to an “unwanted” pregnancy. Murdering your child for your convenience is not a right. In my case, these are the killings I am referring to, not the instances of medical issues or rape. Medical complications and rape are a separate issue, in my opinion. I will never support this abortion on demand up till 8-9 months mentality that we are seeing. It is also a fallacy that no woman likes terminating a pregnancy. There are plenty of degenerates celebrating and bragging about how many abortions they have had.

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      2. I don’t believe in abortion after a certain period, and am totally against it in the seventh month or later. But I don’t know anyone who has ever bragged about multiple abortions. I only know women, and teens, faced with horrible choices. If I were to take the least desirable characteristics I would want to castrate all men because of the small number who sexually assault women. And I will fight to defend the women, like the women I know, who are faced with life altering decisions.

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      3. Do you think it’s okay for someone to kill their child up till the seventh month for any reason? And what magically happens at the seventh month that is different than the sixth month and three weeks? It is a developing human being from the moment of conception. Ending the life of a human being is murder, it is not a right.

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      4. I do not know anyone who had to terminate past four months, so I have no personal experience with this situation. I do vehemently oppose what I term reckless abortion after 16 weeks, but if a mothers life was threatened, and qualified medical personnel thought it was necessary, I would concede to expert opinion. I want to protect those women who need protection. Do you oppose the morning after pill, which some use when adequate birth control has failed?

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      5. We agree on instances where the mother’s life is in danger. But to claim that is representative of the abortion debate is disingenuous. The majority occur out of convenience. Because the child is unwanted. Because it doesn’t fit in with their plans. I’m sure you have seen pictures and/or video of babies dismembered and sucked out of their mother’s womb. These are human beings that are torn apart and butchered because the mother isn’t ready to be a mother, among other excuses. Nobody has the right to do that. And that certainly is not medical care.

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      6. I’m going to think that numbers tallied are from those who have been to a clinic, but may or may not include people who have had medical,procedures that might be listed as D&C. And the people of which you speak will still try to get rid of unwanted pregnancies…they just won’t have legal access so they will put there lives at risk. We could make birth control free (though we both know that nothing is free) so we reduce the already historically low number of abortions.

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      7. I’m going to add on to this. I know women who had perfectly normal pregnancies with heartbeats that were strong up to 8/9 months and ended up delivering stillborn. There are always things that can go wrong at any stage. During my long delivery I went into distress and had to have an emergency c section, because what started out fine didn’t go as planned, and I had to be monitored post birth.

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      8. Of course. I don’t believe anyone is arguing that things can’t go horribly wrong. Also, while I haven’t taken the time to look into every state, I’m willing to bet that all are going to have something in place that allows terminating a pregnancy when the mother’s life is at risk. And I forgot to address your question about the morning after pill in my last comment. I don’t know anything about it, so I would have to look into it to have an opinion.

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      9. I’m very skeptical of whether or not the states would be effective in the health of mother or fetus…when government is involved I think there is too much bureaucracy and not enough action. I’d be interested I. Hearing your thoughts on morning after pill, which I believe some states are trying to ban.

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  12. Great post.
    I remember watching the Kavanaugh conformation hearings with my daughter and feeling like we were turning back the clock for women–now here we are, Roe vs. Wade had been overturned.
    For women in some of the larger more rural states, this will make things very difficult is they aren’t within a reasonable driving distance of a clinic.

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    2. Nuance is so important in such polarizing topics like this, gun control, minorities, immigration, etc… I wish more people did some research on the arguments against their personal beliefs. Until then, I’d say at least 70% of people living in U.S.A will identify themselves by republican(conservative) or democrat(liberal) and that automatically leads to more ignorance because why compromise or try to figure out something ?

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  14. I hear claims tossed about that a constitutional right has been taken away. It has never been a constitutional right to kill someone. In our Declaration of Independence it is stated “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” It is pretty hard to have liberty or pursue happiness if you don’t have life. Our society needs to return to roots of respecting the sanctity of life. Among other ways, we can do this by helping those who are pregnant and need assistance. Loving others is always the right answer.

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    1. I have had friends who were raped and got pregnant. I have friends who have needed terminations due to medical conditions. I will not apologize for defending them or their actions. If a doctor says a pregnancy needs to be terminated I don’t want that person to need to ask governmental permission. I do not like abortion. But I think there are times that it is necessary for the mental and physical health of a woman.

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    2. 1. I’ve never heard someone claim or even think, that abortion and roe v. Wade was connected or had any relevance to the problem of Americans and abortion.
      2. The phrase from Thomas Jefferson you quoted in a post in this context actually is so ironic and contradictory I laughed. If all men are created equal, deserve unalienable right…life, liberty…” even though there were slaves that were men without any such rights.(could continue on that but I’ll end with if you truly believed in those words and what they “mean” how do you deal with not just the man who wrote it have hundreds of slaves but also slavery in general when these words were written and we supposed to represent a new, better form of how a govt and its people should exist…that’s the end of part 1 of 2 of my comment

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    3. Part 2 of my comment picks up on the next sentence in your post… to quote you:

      “It is pretty hard to have liberty or pursue happiness if you don’t have life. Our society needs to return to roots of respecting the sanctity of life.”

      Yes, I agree that not having a life makes it hard to have liberty and pursuit of happiness. Again I almost laughed. Being a slave at that time would be the equivalent of someone that didn’t have a life of liberty and pursuit of happiness. Butttttt think about that quote and obviously they said men and not men and women or all humans or something other than specifically using “men”
      So to your point of “without a life it’s hard to….” Females weren’t even close to treated as equals. It’s been around 250 years since the document of independence that contains that famous phrase you mentioned, and women still fighting for equality. And to end I agree with Love is how we should treat people who disagree with our own beliefs but that’s not how life works. In conclusion I enjoyed reading your post and thinking and typing a 40 page reply hah, but just felt like I should counter or explain where the logical fallacy might of come from or whatever but I humbly disagree with most of what you said but I think your intent was good so hopefully you wont dislike me for “calling you out” ha

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  17. Good for you for stating your opinion on such an important topic. Those who call abortion “murder” even in the early stages of a pregnancy are welcome not to have an abortion. As you said, almost no one gets an abortion lightly. The right to choose is a human right but some people in power don’t consider a woman fully an independent human.

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  19. I’m genuinely confused about what the statements in the post

    Not trying to argue at all or anything negative.
    Honestly, I just want to know why the post was created, what point is supposed to be made by the number statements, and I also have questions for each individual numbered statement on the post. Any help is much appreciated. Not a jerk just love knowledge
    Can anyone in the comments help me understand something…. What point is the author, based on this short and numbered list, trying to convey? Is it a pro-life or pro-choice opinion? Or what?

    ANYONE READING THIS HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS POST.

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