One of my blog friends (R. Douglas) made a comment to me a few months ago, and it really stood out. He said that he often wishes to write for readers instead of writing for writers…
I began to think about that. When I write my blog, I know that most of my audience are fellow bloggers- other people who put their thoughts into words and hit publish. When I write my blog I know that I am writing to writers…I also know that there is instant feedback…
What would happen if I wrote my blog and disconnected the comment section?
How would that change my writing?
When I was working on my book, I found it hard to tell a story.
I found it hard to write for readers.
I like a lot of dialogue. I don’t like description. I don’t like a lot of deep prose paragraphs…I don’t like doing the things that appeal to readers…
However, in my blog, I write to you as I speak. I may not be as blunt as I am in real life…(trust me: I am blunt in real life and I can’t hide my emotions), but you are getting 100% me…
Aside from my poor grammar and lack of editing skills, I like writing for writers…
But how do I bridge the gap from writing for writers to writing for readers?
As I work on a memoir (yup- jumping on that bandwagon) I find that I can use the style that I have cultivated in my blog- I don’t have to rely on the traditional aspects of writing- I can rely on my ability to put words on paper in my unique (I hope) way…
But will readers want to read that?
Cause let’s face it: if I write a book I want it to be read…
And I can’t write a book with a comment section that I can reply back to…
But…as I have a comment section, right here, right now…
What do you think is the difference between writing for writers and writing for readers? Or do you think writing is writing and an audience is an audience?
What are the things in books that most appeal to you?
Help a sister out and give me your opinions…
I write for God. I write what He tells me to write, when He tells me to write it. I leave it up to him to decide who reads my work & the impact that it has on them.
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Excellent motivation!
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It definitely takes the pressure off of me. π
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You know how when you’re at a wine tasting and the guy’s like “do you taste the hint of tobacco?” And you’re like “huh? TOBACCO? Umm, no? I’m just thirsty and this is wet!” π So yeah..believe it or not LA, I have never even thought about whether people who read my blog are readers or writers.. Look how SHALLOW I am!! π₯΄ I must be more of a beer blogger..HAHA!
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Ha! I hadnβt thought about it till RD pointed it out. But when I thought about it, I realize I wrote knowing who my audience is
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Elevated blogging..you guys..I’m tellin’ ya..something for me to aspire to!
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It is hard to switch from writing knowing you will get instant feedback to writing in a vacuum. I abandoned my book attempt when I realized the writing style I was using was all wrong for what I wanted to do.. Itβs been hard to go back and try again.
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Yes! Thatβs exactly what Iβm thinking. Iβve read successful magazine writers pen awful books, etcβ¦how do you make that subtle, or not so subtle, shift?
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Just because most of the people who read your blog now are fellow bloggers doesnβt mean that readers wonβt want to read your book. Your style of writing is successful. Be yourself. Have a site or email where readers can contact you. Youβll get feedback.
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Trueβ¦itβs just another thing to ponder
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The thing in books that keeps me reading is dialog and action that move the story along. Most of the time I could care less that “it was a dark and stormy night”.
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Yeahβ¦.I hate adjectives unless they really convey something integral
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I’d never given this much thought. I do remember the first edition of my book, it was a disaster. My blog writing didn’t translate well into book writing, which is why it’s taken me a year to complete it. However, I believe that readers, whether or not they are writers, will enjoy your content simply because it is what they want to read. Maybe I’m naΓ―ve, but it doesn’t matter to me what credentials an author has.
As far as what I look for in a book, you know I love a good true story. So if you are writing a memoir, I’m sure I am going to enjoy it.
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Thank you as always! Iβd never thought of it until RD mentioned it, so now Iβve been tossing it around
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Hmmmmβ¦. I think itβs often a combination. My blog is/ was purely written for me. A diary of my thoughts and feelings.
Actually, if I think about it I donβt write for others unless itβs for a specific assignment for a job, or for a class.
My short stories, novels were for me as well. I like to write and so I write.
Think about the great writers of our time. Austen wrote for the love of writing. Louisa May Alcott did too and only succumbed to letting Jo get married ( rather than traipsing around Europe on her own) in order to get published so she could feed her family since her father couldnβt support them.
The Bronte sisters wrote what they envisioned in their sheltered world. All the great poets of the ages have written for themselves too.
Shakespeare fought Queen Elizabeth and wrote what he wanted too. She wanted a comedy, heβd give her comedies, tragedies, throw in a few lines of something that would appeal to her, but he wrote from his heart.
I love your topics and your thought process. And if you wrote strictly for others your blogs wouldnβt be as genuine as they are.
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Thatβs a good pointβ¦without authenticity, viewpoint, we just have words on a pageβ¦Iβm thinking this one out some moreβ¦.
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Today many authors actually do have websites where they interact with their readers . So thereβs that .π
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You have me thinking before my coffee again. π I think there is a difference between writing for readers vs writers. I believe that readers of your blog are silent and less engaged. The writers of your audience are interactive and you like to interact. Perhaps the average book writer enjoys the creative process and is akin to a painter.
I believe if not for the interaction of blogging I would have ceased long ago and that is my struggle sometimes. Bloggers are more like cooks who don’t want to eat alone but would rather create a meal that causes a gathering and sharing of more than just food, but also togetherness.
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The interaction is the best part of blogging. I wonder how book authors feel
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I too blog with my own voice, meaning I write in this forum just the way I speak. I don’t think it makes for good book format when I go back to read old posts. Then again, I have no plans to write a fiction book either. From past assessments, I believe I was a good research writer and I actually enjoyed that because: factual, clear without emotion and focused on topic rather than storytelling…again my WP persona has followed that path. My take on your query would be to write in a way that feels comfortable to you. If it becomes a book then get a wide variety of honest readers to read the draft for feedback. Or just screw the whole idea of writing for anyone but yourself and simply enjoy the process!!
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Iβm probably just going to write for myself. I just wish I wasnβt my worst critic
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Be true to yourself, your voice and your book will be well received. I don’t think there’s a difference between writing for writers vs. readers. Writers are readers.
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Iβm still thinking
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Well, although I do have a blog and write posts, I don’t really consider myself a writer, so I think you just just write it and see what happens. As they said in “Field of Dreams,” “If you build (write) it, they will come.” The only difference I might see between writers and readers is writers may critique style or grammar, although readers can be pretty critical too. See? No difference. Write it.
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Yeahβ¦anyone can be critical at any time
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I think what appeals to me most about a book is similarities or identification with the author whether we lived in the same place, worked in the same industry, or travelled overseas or if it is a mystery…I defer to their words and read the story.
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I like thonging for thongers. There’s an understanding in the thong community that allows thongers to generally “get” other thongers.
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I am only recently aware of this communityβ¦
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The thong community is only recently coming out of the shadows and becoming more exposed in both literature and film media.
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I donβt know how we lived so long without them
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……….best blog name I’ve read in a while!
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Write for yourself. You’re a reader. If it sounds good to you as a reader, you’re on the right track.
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Thatβs true
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Hmmm, the thought never really occurred to me that youβd need to have different styles if youβre writing to different audiences.
I mean, writers can still learn from other writers, right? While Iβm also not the biggest fan of really prose-y paragraphs, I still will briefly analyse how they do it, and try take some ideas from them. All writers are still readers in some way, right?
Also, I prefer it when writers are blunt and straight to the point as well like in real life, so I personally donβt see much difference with the 2 kinds of audience
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I prefer straight to the point as wellβ¦I donβt need to dance around a paragraph
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Well think of it like this, you are writing for at least one reader, me. I write as well but it’s not my forte, ya know. The only way to truly write for the reader is to migrate to WordPress.Org.
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True. But I canβt imagine going that route
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Sex. π
Lately, it’s erotic fiction or mysteries.
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Nothing wrong with that
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I read for information or entertainment. I blog to have conversations with marvelous people all around the world.
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The conversations are wonderful!!
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First of all, to be clear, I would buy your book regardless.
Now, being authentic is, to me, what matters most. Being who you, I, we, truly are. Day in day out. When I read a book, or watch a movie, or see a play, and people are trying….not doing themselves, I know, and it is a turn-off. Why? Because their heart isn’t in it, and people know. Write just as you are…that’s it.
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Very true. Phoning it in just doesnβt workβ¦.
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Exactly.
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My bellied is that one should write the first draft of a memoir as though no one is going to read it. I found it the only way I could be honest in my writing. After, I edited it to make it a better and more readable book. If in doubt as to who the ultimate book should be written for – I make it as readable as I can.
PS. The feedback you mention is called a review when youβre talking about a book. π Though they say itβs better not to read your own reviewsβ¦
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Reviews are like a train wreck thoughβ¦cant take your eyes off themβ¦.
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Same dilemma, not helped by the advice to find my ‘voice.’
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I think I have a voiceβ¦itβs sarcastic, so I donβt know how much it helps
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Sure, but I mean the difference between how I might write a novel vs a conversational observation or opinion piece.
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I have an idea about this….remember this in october
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π Isn’t that what your planner is for?
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Itβs in the planner for the week of October 4thβ¦lots of ideas between now and then!
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I hear many bloggers talk about how they write for themselves, and Iβve tried to start thinking the same way. Truth is, I donβt even like the thought of authors reading my posts because I know my writing isnβt perfect.
Good luck on your memoir! That sounds interesting. π
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I donβt like to think of authors reading my words either because I know Iβm far from perfect
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I think there is a HUGE difference in writing a Blog for comments versus writing a book. A book is not meant for comments, the writer stands behind their story, whether we like it or not… their story is meant to make us think on our own about the characters, the plot, the scenery, etc. As you mention, maybe THAT is what you struggle with in writing a book. It’s lonely, there is not feedback unless you are part of a critique group, to know if readers WILL enjoy your story or not. Writing a book means taking a chance on the unknown. While Blog writing and asking for DISCUSSION cannot hurt your feelings, it’s a discussion. Book writing is not a discussion, it’s your story — readers either like it or not, so you DO NOT have CONTROL over the discussion. Maybe THAT IS IT, you want to have CONTROL like you do as a Blog moderator. Something to think about. What is in your heart? In the end, we must do what makes us happy. Maybe doing your Blog and Podcast suits your personality better than publishing a novel, it allows for people interaction.
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Iβm going to try something soonβ¦I want to play with wordsβ¦
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It’s an interesting question. I find most bloggers on here, are writers first, and then readers. I wonder what it would be like to be read predominately by the latter? I write primarily for myself, but I enjoy the feedback and interaction with other bloggers. If I’m having fun and am happy with the writing, I don’t to some extent care what other people think, (unless they are complaining about my word count which irks me as if they don’t want to read a long post then don’t) but when it comes to writing a book and trying to get it published I think I will have great difficulty letting other people read it.
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Iβm definitely a reader firstβ¦when I read I read as a readerβ¦as long as itβs well done Iβm along for the rideβ¦I donβt know how I would feel if my work other than blogs were published
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I don’t think writers would appreciate what I write but readers sure do!
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As long as someone does!!
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Such an interesting topic…i think for a writer, writing anything on any medium should bring joy….in blogging, you will get an instant response whereas for a book, you will have to wait and watch….but either ways, be true to yourself and write the way your heart desires πβ€οΈ
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Wow, I had never thought of it in that way! I started my blog and YouTube page, I didn’t have readers or other creators in mind, I thought I was sharing myself and my thoughts just for readers…
I only discovered later that writers actually read each other and have been writing like so since π
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Itβs funny to think about the different ways to writeβ¦
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Honestly, one of the reasons I keep a link to my blog on my Facebook page is that I draw readers from there who aren’t also writers. I do like the idea that some of the people who read my blog aren’t also bloggers….although the ones who comment on it are mostly bloggers. But the variety in readers is nice, I think, and actually gives me a little more freedom to write about different subjects. And the post I had that generated the most response (aside from the ones that Word Press included on their “discover” page) was popular on Facebook, but not so much on Word Press. I wrote about moving to a small town when I was young, and what it was like to live in one. It was shared over 400 times on Facebook, so I guess people who lived in small towns related to it. But the “stats” on Word Press for that post were actually lower than usual!
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I donβt share my posts on any other social media (though oddly people from Twitter, Facebook and such have seen my posts so someone must be sharing them) I do sometimes wish for a few more βreadersβ because Iβd like to be able to write for a wider audienceβ¦
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I’m sure people are sharing them, but Word Press no longer lets us see it when they do. I used to be able to see how many times a post was shared on Facebook (but not who shared it) but that’s been removed. Another “improvement,” I guess?
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I was trying to fix something and I stumbled upon how many times my posts were shared not via WordPress. I doubt I could figure out what I did, but I thought it was really interesting
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Readers like stories. Even in blogging, people like stories, so what I’ve noticed that you and I do, is we tell a brief story at some point. We also engage in the comment section. I get that, but the difference between writing for writers vs readers is the story element and how much story you tell.
What I’ve also noticed is that when I’m focused on publishing (in other areas), I hold back the story element on the blog, so I can pour more of that into the upcoming publication.
I think this is how your memoir can be different. People wanna hear the story…not your commentary about the story. Know what I mean?
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Thatβs a really interesting thought on thisβ¦the story vs the commentary. It also goes back a little to the whole storyteller vs wordsmith ideaβ¦I know I use real life episodes to show points, or make comparisonsβ¦thank you! Youβve given me food for thought!
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Be yourself!! This is the most important part. Peaple connect with others when they find themselves.
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Hmm here’s an observation from a regular blog LA reader, I’d say you and memoir writing fit quite well.
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Have to say your novel lol intrigues me.
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Before I started my blog I agonized over my reasons for doing it. In the end I just thought to share my thoughts on various topics in the hope that someone might benefit from reading it. It’s wonderful to hear positive comments and receive likes, but that creates pressure on me to write on topics that are likely to bring in lots of likes and comments. Be true to your instincts and write what they prompt you to do.
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I definitely good at writing what I wantβ¦itβs more how to change your tone depending on audience
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I’m sure your instincts are a solid guide then as well.
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Writing is a water. All people can drink it.water is necessary to save lives.Therefore Writing cannot be restricted either for writers or the readers. All can learn from the Writing.
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Interesting take
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Do you know why your friend made that comment? I’m wondering what the thinking was behind it was?
For me, especially when I’m writing my family memoir, I just write. I don’t worry about the make-up of my audience – there’s plenty of time for that later. From my POV, the main reason to consider who my audience might be is for the purposes of marketing, and that’s not an issue I plan to think about until after it’s written. The first draft of it anyway. If you want to write in the style of your blog – do it. All you have to do is to modify it to remove the part where you seek engagement or the opinions of others. It is more lonely writing than blogging, but if you’ve a story you’re driven to tell, you’ll find a way π
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Good advice! Thank you!
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I think if you can impress a writer, then a reader will like your writing too. It just takes time to get readers only
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When I took a memoir class, this was the same thought I tried to hammer into my own head with every class session. I haven’t looked at comments from your readers yet but I’m sure there will be advice there we both can use!
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I think you should write for your past self….like something you would have loved people to say about you or to you in the past but no one actually did…. so what I am saying is that write what you would love to hear about.
Sorry if this makes no sense to you π
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Though I’m new to this writing community, what I have observed in this short span of time is that, writing is very much different from reading! Both are a skill and we can’t circle out what we sound like or hear like actually. Perspective changes from person to person. As a writer, I try to make sure I engage all my readers and not bore them with too much words and philosophies. This is just my personal point of view. Thanks for this post!!
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Thatβs a great way to think about writing!
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I don’t depend on my writing for my next meal, nor do I have any reputation to uphold. I like to see what other people think about topics. I find people to be more insightful and knowledgeable than I am, but many say that I did make them think quite a bit.
I live in a strange world where I’m productive or not at all.
I’d say if writing is your trade, then you have to write for readers, perhaps at the expense of your own thoughts and feelings. Not only, but you have to uphold a reputation.
We are as free as we can be.
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Great thoughts!
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Interesting thought. I never thought about it this way. I always thought about writing for others to read or writing for my future self to read. Now I am wondering why do I write in the first place
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Do any of us know why we write?
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“I like a lot of dialogue. I donβt like description. I donβt like a lot of deep prose paragraphsβ¦I donβt like doing the things that appeal to readers⦔ — I like the kind of stories that have more dialogue than deep prose. LOL I think in this day and age, not very many people have the patience for longwinded writing. Your entry reads well, and if you write like that for your book, I’m pretty sure you’ll do great.
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Thank you!
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Iβm just enjoying what Alan Alda does with Neil Simonβs βJakeβs Women.β Everyoneβs perspective is different, thatβs why all those how to books are different. But if you want to be entertained and want Neil Simonβs perspective watch that film. Itβs on YouTube.
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Just write what is right (for you), You’re a unique writer, just reading this shows that you care about writing and that you already have a heap of writing skill. Happy writing. π
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Donβt ever stop
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Wow!
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